Del Bigtree: If you are pro-vaccine, you are anti-science. Like literally just this morning, three parents crying their eyes out in my office because of some type of adverse event that happened from a vaccine.

There is not a single study in the entire world, that showed that the vaccinated are the ones who have better health outcomes.

It doesn't exist. You are 2.5 times more likely to have a chronic disease if you're vaccinated. Where are the autistic men? My age? 54% chronic disease across America. The sickest children in the world don't be the last person to be wrong about vaccines.

Voice Over: Welcome to the Longevity Formula with Dr. Brandon Crawford.

Let's explore the new era of wellness.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: What if everything you've been told about vaccine safety is not backed by science? Before you dismiss that question, before you assume, this is just another conspiracy theory, let me tell you about today's guest. Del Bigtree is an Emmy award-winning producer who spent years creating medical television for mainstream America on the doctors.

He later served as director of communications for Robert F. Kennedy Junior's Presidential Campaign and founded the Informed Consent Action Network, a nonprofit that has repeatedly sued the US government for transparency on vaccine safety data. This isn't someone who went looking for controversy. He stumbled into it.

When A CDC whistleblower revealed evidence that internal vaccine safety data had been manipulated, Del gets labeled as one of the top conspiracy theorists in the world. But as he puts it, I don't say anything I can't prove, and that's exactly what makes this conversation so powerful because every claim he makes is backed by documents, studies, and government records obtained through legal action.

This episode will likely be censored, flagged, or removed from multiple platforms, not because it spreads misinformation, but because it asks questions. The medical establishment refuses to answer questions like, why has no childhood vaccine ever been tested against a true placebo? Why are we the sickest generation of children in history despite being the most vaccinated?

And what happened when one major research institution finally compared vaccinated children to unvaccinated children and then refused to publish the results. If the science is truly settled, shouldn't we be allowed to see it? Del Bigtree, creator of the groundbreaking documentary, Vaxxed in the New Film and Inconvenience study joins me for one of the most important conversations we could have about our children's health.

This is not about telling you what to think. It's about giving you information. Your pediatrician might kick you out of their practice for even asking about, this is not anti-vaccine, this is pro-science, and the science might just make you very uncomfortable. Decide for yourself whether the questions being asked deserve answers.

Please welcome Dell Bigtree to the Longevity Formula.

I think I wanna start just by telling you a little bit of. My perspective, just so you kind of have a little bit of background. Where I come from, so I'm a developmental functional neurologist. My specialty is neurodevelopmental disorders. Not a week goes by where I don't have one of those conversations, like literally just this morning, three parents crying their eyes out in my office because of some type of adverse event that happened from a vaccine.

Now, sometimes it's full-blown normal child to severe autism. Sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's a seizure disorder that developed. Sometimes it's dysautonomia, sometimes it's pots depression, psychosis. There's several things that may transpire, but I get to hear about 'em literally every single week. So I don't think the science is settled.

I don't think that we can really put a stake in this and say this is safe and effective. And so I've been a huge fan of your work for many years. I've watched you on the Highwire, I've been following, your work for several years. Thank you. Huge proponent. We hand out ICAN information, we tell people about informed consent.

Again, this is all because of things that you've said in the motion, and I want to get into that. Before we do, can you tell the audience, so you started your career as executive producer at the doctors, very mainstream medical background, et cetera. How did you end up here?

Del Bigtree: Mm-hmm. I, I'm like sitting here thinking about writing a book in the near future, and I could spend five hours just explaining that.

But, um, just to be clear, I wasn't an executive producer on the doctors. I was a producer, so my, my actual job, it's okay. I just wanna make sure there'll be executive producers. Be annoyed with me if I let that slide. Sorry. Not. As and, and what my job was, was if you imagine it's a pre-AP show, it doesn't go live.

So on the doctors you are creating a whole season. So we were making about seven episodes per week of the doctors. And I was one of seven producers that was responsible for making one of those episodes every week. And so every year, every season, I don't know, I think it was something like I would make 25 to 30 episodes.

So that was my job, was to, every single commercial break, everything that's in the middle, all the stories are gonna be told. And so, um, I was, making science and medicine into entertainment for America. And one of the things that I think is important to point out, I didn't, I didn't grow up with, allopathic or western medicine.

My mom. Was very much a natural health person. Really total hippie from the 1960s. My parents, marched in Chicago. My heroes in our family were like the Chicago seven, and I was given Brave New World in 1984 as required reading by the time. That's awesome. I was 10, so I don't, in some ways, when I look back now, it's not accidental that I find myself in the position.

It has felt like that at the time, but I, I say all that to say that my mom, when I was, I won an Emmy award on the doctor's television show, so I was really. It was a big show to be on. It was the first medical show of its kind. Even before Dr. Oz was the doctor's television show. My mom would call me and say, what are you doing working on a medical talk show?

You've never been to a doctor in your life? And and I just always felt like, my dad was a minister and so my dad, I suppose I, I was the oldest of three kids. I was supposed to, be a minister. And it just wasn't, appealing to me. I wanted, I think you are in a way. Well, I think I have definitely come around to that.

I love public speaking now and I'm waxing more and more onto the. Religious side because what the deeper you get into this, investigation, the more this becomes obvious that we are in a fight between dark and light. Yes, good and evil. Um, but all that said, I was challenging the medical establishment with every episode I was doing.

I would love to tell stories of, I mean, bringing in experts when a drug was being recalled 'cause it killed too many people. Like, why did this happen? How'd this get through the FDA? Um, I when one of the biggest shows I did was when glyphosate, the, um, Monsanto Chemical that sprayed on 80%, 90% of our crops in America.

I reached out to Monsanto and said, Hey, would you like to send. Someone from, Monsanto to defend this product's now being said by the WHO to be probably carcinogenic to human beings. This was back in 2015. That's the second highest cancer rating there is. Second only to does cause cancer. Next is probably carcinogenic to human beings.

I had never seen Monsanto on a television. I've never seen anyone that worked in that company. And growing up in a family, it was all organic food. We've always considered Monsanto to be like Satan. Yeah. And so, um, I had this great opportunity to reach out, say, Hey, I work for the doctor's television show.

Would you like to defend your product? Assuming they're probably advertising some product of theirs on our show. Right? And sure enough, they were like, yes, we would love to send our head of toxicology, Donna Farmer to be on your show. I was like, oh my God, amazing. And so then I reached out to a GMO activist that had written like two books on Monsanto, Jeffrey Smith, and had a debate on the show, um, which ended up being one of the highest rated shows we ever did.

All of that to just to, to cast like how I saw media and entertainment, I've really always believed that this is a platform that should be telling people the truth. And you never know what seeds you're gonna plant that end up, producing fruit further down the road. But years later, when I was doing my own talk show online, the high wire, which I still do now, I had the lead attorney, um, Brett Whiner, who is the one fighting Monsanto in court and won the multi hundreds of million dollars dollars law ca lawsuits.

And he said to me, I didn't even realize it on the show I was describing as like, I did the Monsanto story back when I was on the doctors. And he says, wait a minute, are you the one that had the debate with Donna Farmer and Jeffrey Smith? He's like, yes. He's like, Dell. That is one of our most important pieces of evidence that's helping us win these cases because after we show, we show all the lies that we have in the emails.

What Donna Farmer, head of Toxicology knew about the dangers and the carcinogenic effects of this product. Then we show what she said on your show and that she's totally lying to the public and we gasps and ooze and os from the jury and it's over. And so, it's those types of things that I think have come full circle.

So all that to say, I was doing that show and I stumbled onto a whistleblower, actually it was brought to my attention. There was a whistleblower inside the CDC that said they were committing scientific fraud in the vaccine safety studies. That, that was Dr. William Thompson. I ended up leaving my television career to make a documentary about that called Vaxxed.

Yes. Which a, a lot of people credit with igniting the medical freedom movement around the world. Right. So that moment changed my life forever. And so I have been deep into investigation ever since then. I spent a year on tour with that and then wanted more answers. Um, that film was only about one vaccine.

MMR vaccine. Yeah. And a fraudulent study and its connection to autism, which you're probably well aware of. But my work then I was like, well, what about the other vaccines that we're giving our kids, like 16 of them, 72 doses? So I think, I think I can honestly say that no journalist has done a deeper dive into the safety of vaccines than I have.

I've spent since 2017, end of 2016, 17 till now, invested completely. So I have a team of scientists around the world. I have the most effective attorney, constitutional attorney in Aaron Siri. We've spent millions and millions of dollars suing the government for transparency. Mm-hmm. Um, and all of that to reveal what I think we'll get into, which is safe and effective or the sciences settled.

I think we can officially say now there is no science to vaccines. Yeah. I can get into the details of what that means, but I think this thing is, and, and I, and I'm only newly finally to this revelation. Here's my new statement as like a week ago, if you are pro-vaccine, you are anti-science. And that's what I can officially say now.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: Yeah. That's a deep statement. Yeah. With a lot of heavy heaviness to it. But obviously true. When you truly look at the real science, it's a very true statement.

Del Bigtree: Yeah.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: There's a lot of fear around this conversation. And the first thing that like literally just popped into my head, when you were talking about Vaxxed, the documentary that you produced, you came out with.

Mm-hmm. When my wife went, when my wife and I went to see it, I took my handgun in with me. I was scared. I mean, I didn't know if there was gonna be riots. I didn't know. Like, I mean, a lot of that information was not very well accepted. Yeah. What type of blowback did you get from that?

Del Bigtree: Oh my God. I think, I mean, well Vaxt was, at that time, and I think it may go down as one of the most controversial films ever made.

Yeah. From the moment we were kicked outta the Tribeca Film Festival. Mm-hmm. So we were accepted into the festival getting kicked out which dragged Robert De Niro into the center of the conflict. That's his festival. I remember that. He had to admit to the public when he first stood by our film.

The reason I like this film is I have a child with autism. My wife and I believe there is a connection between his vaccinations and, and his autism. And this is a movie that needs to be seen. Then he came under massive pressure from the pharmaceutical industry, um, specifically when they were kicking us out.

My, the distribution company was, a one hour phone call with Tribeca. Why are you doing this? Who's putting you up to this? Our, our filmmakers deserve to at least defend where their science is coming from. 'cause they were saying there are scientific bodies that say that what your film is saying is untrue.

Right. They never go give us the opportunity to defend it, but in the end, they said, um, our number one sponsor is the Sloan Foundation. And has been from the very beginning, and they will not let us screen this film. So Sloan Foundation, Sloan Kettering's, foundational, massive pharmaceutical medical institution.

Yeah. So from that moment on, everywhere we went was headlines, baby killers. Every mainstream news outlet was against us. So you're right. We even had bomb threats at theaters that we were going to, and it was outrageous. But because think it created so much curiosity, it backfired on them. And everywhere we went, every theater we went to was a sold out audience lines down the block.

I remember, the first huge audience was in Orange County, just a. A month or so in, and I thought, what is showing here today? It looks like Star Wars, when is seven years old. It's like five people wide as far as I could see down the road. And I asked the guy that had like, just gotten us into the theater that day, who, what else is showing here today?

And he says, what are you talking about? That's all facts. I was like, you're kidding me. So it created huge controversy, but you, I'll say this, there was a lot of like bluster, a lot of rage and anger, especially in media, but nobody ever showed up to those screenings. I think I had one time in Denver birth three sort of pathetic protestors with signs that I walked up and mm-hmm.

Talked to and said, I'll give you free tickets if you'll come in and watch it.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: Yeah, there you go.

Del Bigtree: But mostly with all the threats and all the anger and all the rage no, no one's ever really showed up and stood in our face or got in the way of any of the films that I've made. Right. So. It's sort of fake.

Sure. But it seemed huge and it certainly helped give us free advertising.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: Absolutely. Well that, and that was well worth it. Yeah. I mean, again, it was huge. Me, my whole circle of people, my colleagues, everyone, we championed it. I had Vaxxed, when people still watched DVDs, we would hand them out to patients.

I mean, it was a, it was a big thing for us in the office, we would definitely, we finally had something to reference, something for people to watch. 'cause no one wants to read.

Del Bigtree: Yeah.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: I mean, that's the society we live in. Yeah. So it's been a huge asset. Turning to, well, let me

Del Bigtree: just, just finish that up.

I think it's, what's interesting people don't know is that. It had a grassroots movement, like nothing we've ever seen. The theaters were all booked by regular people that just called the theater, says, I want this movie. We used a company that would bring the movie to major theaters and like I said I traveled the country for a whole year on a bus that said, backed on the side of it.

Everywhere we went, we had negative headlines in every town we went into. The beauty of it is had they just ignored us, had they not kicked us out, Tribeca Film Festival and just said, let them have their outhouse art house run. Right. We would've probably lasted like two weeks in a few art house theaters, but because of the constant.

Attack upon us. They made it a worldwide sensation. I could go out and fill out theaters in Australia, in Japan you name it. And because of that, the, um, a lot of people don't know this as much pushback as Hollywood had, the academy of the Motion picture Academy of Arts and Sciences reached out and said We'd love an official copy of VAX You've done.

We've never seen a grassroots, like this movie is, is really set a precedence in how grassroots could make a film famous. And it's a cult classic at the very least. So it now sits in the archives of That's amazing. The

Dr. Brandon Crawford: Academy, when it was going down, did you have that perspective of, Hey, yeah, they're all coming against us, but this is gonna blow up.

I mean, or did or like, what were your thoughts on that? I actually planned on it.

Del Bigtree: Perfect. Yeah. I had a one trick pony. I had one goal. When I, I screened the film right before we were gonna, our last sort of edit of it, we're gonna send it off to Tribeca. And we were in, um, a friend of mine's house and I had a lot of producers and friends that I'd worked with, including a couple of actors.

And I remember when the film ended, ECI Morales, the actor, he is like the bad guy in the Mission Impossible Films right now. Great guy. And he said to Meade, the film's really compelling, but there's been other great films on this topic. And they just, they get buried. They never get any advertising, they never see the light of day.

How are you gonna get this film out there? And I said, east Side, every other movie on the vaccine issue is, I know has interviewed Dr. Andrew Wakefield, who's the most controversial doctor in the center of this entire conversation. And they all cut him outta the film. And I've asked them why. And they always say we, he brings negative press, he gets bad press.

I said, so they opted for no press. I said, I've made a different decision. Not only is Andy in this film, I'm gonna celebrate that he's directing the film. And I am hoping that the pharmaceutical industry makes the biggest mistake of their lives and attacks him and attacks this film in headlines across America.

Because then and only then will this country know that this is actually a debate. And that's what it did. So I, at the same time, ironically, I was running VAX on negative press, so was a guy running for president named Donald Trump. He used the

Dr. Brandon Crawford: same approach. Oh, brilliant. There's no such thing as bad press.

Sure. That's brilliant. I'm gonna have to keep that, write that down for me, Vanessa. I'm gonna need to keep that in the back of my head. That's fantastic. So going to more recent events. Yeah. Why did you feel led and obligated to then produce an inconvenience study?

Del Bigtree: You know what's interesting is it's born out of that same exact moment, as I say in the film.

Um, I was touring with Vaxxed when we were gonna be up, going up through Michigan with our tour and somebody reached out that was, um, up in Michigan, said, Hey, I know the head of infectious disease at Henry Ford Health Henry Ford being one of our most prestigious, research institutions in America, but certainly in the world.

And as a law, I'd be fascinated to meet with them. I mean, you have to understand, I would love rooms full of doctors. I'm not. I'm not trying to, I want, this should be a medical debate. Yeah. So I was like, I'll, I'll debate anyone on it. So anyway, Dr. Marcus Zervos was his name world renowned scientist and doctor at the same exact moment I was having dinner with him.

He was just getting through, having been to central doctor inspector on the Flint, Michigan water crisis. So this was a guy that was already standing up against the health Department of Michigan saying, you are poisoning people here in Detroit, especially those underserved, they're getting lead poisoning.

They're getting Legionnaire's disease. So the guy had some credibility too for having stood for what was right. So, I'm, I'm always interested in meeting a hero anyway in, in medicine science. And so we sat down at dinner and, the first thing he said to me was, um, de I've watched your film faxed, which is.

Very compelling. He says, but you've been saying something as you're traveling the country that I really took issue with, which is I've watched your little YouTube videos and things and you keep saying, we've never done the proper science to establish safety of any of the childhood vaccines. And he said, so I obviously, I sit on the biggest databases in the world.

So I went and researched that so I could show you, you're wrong. And he said, and I'm shocked that I have to sit across from you and tell you, you're right. I can't believe we've never done a single safety study using a placebo of any the childhood vaccines we give our kids. And he said, now let me be clear.

That doesn't mean that vaccines aren't safe. It just means that we can't say that they're safe. And I said, that's all that I've been saying. And he says, yeah, no, I watch you. You've been very careful about it. So that's how our conversation began. I think he was disturbed by that as any doctor or scientist or anyone who believes in science should, yes.

How did this product not get the same testing every drug we take goes through. And to be clear, he was very provax. He stated, I don't know where this conversation's gonna go. I am provax. He's bragged to me multiple times. I'm the reason we mandate vaccines on everyone that works at Henry Ford Health.

I'm obsessed with it. Um, so he is been really clear on that. And so he said, I don't know, you know what I could do for you, but I certainly was interested in having this dinner. And I said, well, if, we could put an end to this debate forever with a very simple study. And he said, what's that? I said, well.

Why don't you do a study that compares the health outcomes of vaccinated children with completely unvaccinated children? And he said, I would do that study. I said, great. And I even warned him though. I said, look, I'm gonna warn you if that study turns out the way, I think it might, I think it could be really damaging to your career.

I mean, anyone that goes near this subject gets attacked. He seemed to think he had credibility. That was, good enough. Mm-hmm. He also said, I'm a scientist. I follow the data wherever it leads me. Yes. And um, I'm also about to retire, literally what he said to me. So. So it seemed like the perfect opportunity.

And, um, I pressured him for a couple years. It didn't happen right away. Like every, maybe twice a year I'd reach out, especially if I was pulling through town. You wanna grab a bite? How's the study? We, you thinking of doing it? Just trying to keep a, an open, dialogue. But then in 2018, it'd sort of been long enough.

I flew out with my attorney, Aaron Siri, and we really sat down with him and said, look, this is a civil war that's going on in this country. The trust in the vaccine program is crashing. Of course we're in the middle of COVID at that point. Everything else is, or we're coming. Actually 2018 was, it wasn't happening yet, but by the time he did the study, it was 2020.

And he did do the study and then didn't publish it. And that's where we had an issue. 'cause I had said, look, if you do this study, only one rule, no matter what it says, if I'm wrong, you are wrong. You publish it and, um, I felt like we were the ones taking the risk. I mean, he's clearly, he was the lead scientist on the Moderna trials for Henry Ford.

Right. So it's, this guy believes in what he's doing. Absolutely. So that's, that's, that's why we, making the film was, 'cause I think this study, and we can get in the details of, how it sort of all unfolded, but I think this is the most important study in the world at the moment.

This, this changes, this is a, this is a, this is like a scientific discovery. This is a massive realization. Mm-hmm. Um, that a pillar of modern medicine may have been the biggest mistake humanity's ever made. Absolutely.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: When the study was initiated, did you, in the back of your mind know this probably isn't gonna be studied is it not gonna be published?

I need to start planning for what am I gonna do in case it's not, no,

Del Bigtree: I didn't go that far. Okay. Into what am I gonna do? Yes, of course. That was our major concern. Mm-hmm. Like, oh, great, he's gonna do it. I'll be honest, I already had looked at the other studies, smaller studies that had done that already, that got discounted for being by, a potentially biased doctor, a scientist like Paul Thomas, who, did a study of his own children as practice, the ones that have not vaccinated compared to the health outcomes of those that had.

Yeah. But I would say I was pretty sure how the study was gonna turn out. I've said from the, the investigation I did on Vaxxed alone, and then, I've been saying from the beginning, it's like being dealt as a journalist, a royal flush. Mm-hmm. Everyone's like, how do you stand up against all the criticism?

How do you handle, all the scientists, all the, all the, people saying that you're wrong. Where's your, how do you get the courage that you have? And I really wanna liken it to poker. It really doesn't matter if it's my first day ever playing poker, which this kind of felt like I was in the middle of a space I didn't know.

But you do know the basic rules and a royal flush wins all hands. So I drew a royal flush. I don't care if Phil Ivy's sitting across from me or the prince of Saudi Arabia and they're pushing gold into the middle of the table and yelling at me, or, or bringing intensity At some point, I know we're all gonna lay down our cards and we've got the cards.

Yeah. I mean, it's been clear to me. I wouldn't have made vax, I wouldn't have put my whole career at risk if I wasn't really sure what I was seeing in the, the, the lack of science and then the work we've done since then. Sure. Um, has been the same. But no, I didn't plan on what will we do. In fact, I kind of.

It was really a debate once he wasn't publishing it and I kept calling, come on, do what's right. And I hadn't seen what's in it. It'd only been rumored like, it looks bad for the vaccine, I get it. How bad, right. Like what are we talking about? Yeah. And um, and so I kept pressuring him, but it was sort of a team decision.

Maybe inspired by James O'Keefe a little bit. Certainly not my style. Like I'm not a, wear a bunch of hidden cameras and go in with the recording. You will never see any other episode or anything I've ever done that does that. But we were out of options. Mm-hmm. And it really seemed that this study, if he is this afraid to publish this study, there must be something really important in it.

And I think, I think I sort of retic, because, a couple of my team was like, this is the only way to do it. I was like, you know what, let me do it. Let go ahead and record the conversation. And then we'll decide what we do with that recording, if we could ever release it. And so, but the idea being this will be the last time I can ever have this conversation with him.

Sure. And it may be the only thing the public ever sees is just what he said about this study. Right. Luckily he handed me the study at that dinner table, which is a part of the film. Like you're watching things in this film that are happening in like real time. Like, I really had not put my hands on that study.

I'm really being handed the study and seeing it for the first time and then asking him legitimate questions about why wouldn't you publish this? And of course, as you can even see in the trailer, he says over and over again, oh no, it's a good study. I can't think of a better way to do this study. It's an important study, but I'm just not, and so many words, I don't have the courage for it.

'cause it'll end my career. I'd be finished. And those are the words that he's using. Right.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: Let's unpack that study a little bit.

Del Bigtree: Yeah.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: So it clearly lays out okay. And it was, it was a large study, almost 19,000 total kids. 1900 ish, a little over 1900 were unvaccinated. The rest were actually no, it's the,

Del Bigtree: the, it comes out.

So it's about 16,500 ish are vaccinated. Yes. And 2000 are unvaccinated. Okay. Yep. Yep. I've been working with

Dr. Brandon Crawford: patients today. My

Del Bigtree: mental, it's okay. Alright. Anyway,

Dr. Brandon Crawford: just wanna make sure we get it right. Yeah, absolutely. You're, you already caught me on two mistakes. I need to work on myself, so. All right. So this comes out.

You wouldn't need me. You wouldn't need me if, if you can say it all. Perfect. Right. There you go. So when this came out, and it shows and it's not just looking at autism, right? It's not just looking at neurodevelopmental disorders, it's looking at multiple chronic health conditions. Yeah.

Del Bigtree: What did it show? Well, I mean, it's, it's, and, and let me say before I state this, because it's important that the public know, and I'm all about transparency. We have a cease and desist letter that's been sent to us by Henry Ford Health. They're threatening defamation because they're a major research institution and they didn't publish this study.

The implications that I think the film and the, and, and, and Dr. Marcus Zervos makes himself is that the only reason this study was not published is because the results, they are saying that that is not true. That the only reason it wasn't published was because of the data is flawed. And the study did not reach their scientific standards.

So I just wanna state that, that that was out there before we even released the film. Yeah. But we decided to move forward. Um, and so in this unpublished study which is what it is, it's, it's it was only published because Senator Ron Johnson saw a way to publish it on the Senate website, believing that it was of the public interest.

So it bypassed some of the issues we might have with copyrights. But this study ends up in its conclusion stating that you are 2.5 times more likely to have a chronic disease if you're vaccinated compared to unvaccinated. And I just, I think we get, I think when your average person just hears numbers, we can kind of, sort of.

Go, oh, that sounds bad. I wanna say this isn't a 20%, a 40% difference would be a massive signal. Right? 80% would be outrageous. This isn't that, this isn't even 180. This is a, a 250% increased risk if you get vaccinated to have chronic disease. And then when you look into more specific columns, like the one that's your area of expertise, neurodevelopmental disorder is nearly six times the rate in the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated 600% increased risk.

And then I think in, in, in asthma, five times the rate autoimmune disease nearly six times the rates, they're just, these numbers are astronomical. Mm-hmm. Um, and so, there's a, there's a scientist named Dr. Peter Gacha. Who is famous for Found being one of the founders of the Cochrane collaboration.

I think now we just call it Cochrane. But Cochrane was a group of international scientists that came together. I should actually look up what year, I wanna say two decades ago, but certainly over a decade ago to, to establish. Proper science. They believed there was so much science that wasn't reproducible.

They set a standard and started studying studies to make sure that you can't count on this, you can't count on this. So like a watchdog scientific body for the world. Dr. Peter Gacha has recently looked at the Henry Ford study. I just saw it as he was tweeting about it online and what he said, I think is very important.

I have read, as he put it in many the Henry Ford complaint about this study. It does not explain the size of the, the signal that we're seeing here. He says, I think this study is very alarming and it demands that more vaccinated versus unvaccinated studies be done around the world immediately.

Sure. Immediately. Right. Um, so that's, I mean, outside of my perspective, that's a world renowned scientist that up until this point, if you look at his history, has been very pro childhood vaccine program. So, it is an alarming result. I will say that any study, it's a retrospective study, which is not, there's no way to have a perfect retrospective study.

It's what it's part, a lot of what the film is about is understanding what this study is and what it is not. Mm-hmm. What it is not is a perfect replacement for the gold standard placebo based trial that every vaccine should have gone through prior to ever being given to a human being. But they skip that process.

Yeah. And now they say it's unethical to do anything like that. So all you're left with the gold standard, and this is by, um, I think it's a Midwestern doctor, another great X account, if you ever want to read one. I think it was him that said, you have to understand that you can poke holes in any retrospective study, but when you've skipped all the rest, this is the remaining gold standard.

It's all we have. And so what that means is studying groups of kids where they've already made the decision to vaccin, vaccinators, not vaccinate. And so. If it stood alone, it would still be an intriguing study. And I think worth more investigation. The fact that this is easily the fifth study like it that is seeing this recurring now, I would say reproducible science mm-hmm.

That when you compare vaccinated to unvaccinated, the vaccinated keep coming out sicker. And I mean, a lot sicker, right? Shows that we are beyond this just being a standalone anomaly. We are seeing something that is reproducing itself, which is, which is really the most scary part of this study. And when you look at the fact that this was a pro-vaccine institution by a scientist that brags about being pro-vaccine is clearly doing this study, I think, in my mind, to prove those other studies wrong and to prove all the anti-vaxxers wrong, to prove Robert Kennedy Jr.

Wrong, to prove de Bree wrong. And they end up coming to maybe some of the most damning results we've seen to date. That that's, that's the kind of, that's what, that's what safety science is supposed to be. Yes. It's supposed to be the opposition, challenging everything. Throwing everything you can against a hypothesis or a product to say, I can prove you're wrong if they only prove you're right now.

Yeah. You've really proven something. I think that that's where we're at

Dr. Brandon Crawford: right now. Sure. Well, that's what I have to do as a provider. I mean, I have to prove my methods are safe and effective, and then I've developed laser therapy or therapy laser devices. I have to prove that they're safe and effective. I have to test each individual component, even the casing, and then I have to test everything together.

I have to prove that this isn't gonna harm anyone. Yeah. We'll tie that into something later.

Del Bigtree: Yeah. But,

Dr. Brandon Crawford: So I, I do agree with you and you've been talking through why this is the most important study ever. It's huge and it's being ignored. Why are, why is Maha talking about Tylenol, not this study?

I mean, that's

Del Bigtree: a good question. I think that, I, obviously, I, I'm, I'm, I was Robert Kennedy jr's, director of Communications. Mm-hmm. So, I, I, I feel really good about the job he's doing at HHS. It is a very, very difficult place to be. And you have to understand, even when we were, I mean, spent three years with him, should he ever find himself in a position as president, or even better, frankly, as HHS secretary, how are we going to help the entire country recognize what's happened here?

Every move he makes, he, if you watch him, he's trying to show you that he's not coming from a space of bias. He's bringing in people that disagree with him. He'll sit down with the head of Pfizer like, why is he having that conversation? Because it's truly how he's wired. Mm-hmm. And it's sort of why, why would I sit down with the head of Henry Ford Health?

Why would I sit and talk to a pro-vaccine virologist, of all things like, why? What are you doing, Del? Because if this guy does the study and it proves what, I think it could far more powerful than if I do this study or someone that's considered to be on my side. Mm-hmm. Right. And so I think right now, I haven't talked to Bobby about, in fact, since he's gone into office, we've really cut off communications because I get calls.

I get New York Times, everyone ev almost every day. What do I know about what's going on with Bobby? I say, why don't you keep yourself Bobby? And I'll guess that way I can say I can have an opinion and not have to be like hiding. Sure. Information. But Tylenol is a problem. It's a problem I've reported on for Yes.

A long time. Correct. I think, and even though mainstream may be ignoring this study, this study is reaching and I mean I think it may be bigger than Vaxxed. There's multiple things that have happened recently that really I found shocking. Um, I interviewed a senator in Australia, he went, he was viral a couple weeks ago.

'cause he started asking questions about the placebo trials of the Australian vaccine program to like their head of health. And I was like, oh my God, that sounds like a question I would've asked. So we reached out and said, would you come on the show? He said, love to, I watched your show. I was like, oh, really?

And so then we looked at the entire, um, debate he had in the Senate in Australia. And he asked the question to this head of health, have you read the Henry Ford study? Are you aware of this vaccinated versus unvaccinated study? And the guy says, yes, I'm aware of it. Um, it's been, um, Henry Ford did it, but it was, um, at the request of a nonprofit America called Informed Consent Action Network.

I was like, oh my God. And so I asked the senator, did you pre-submit your questions? Did this guy know this question was coming? He was like, no, no. I surprised him with it. And I think that's huge. I think the fact that some pro medical who gave the worst answer, by the way, on that placebo question you've ever heard, I think it'll go down as like one of the worst answers of all times.

The fact that all the way on the other side of the world, ahead of a health department knows my nonprofit and this study shows you, I think, how expansive. I just had a friend from Hollywood that is a, um, a location scout and manager checking out a new mansion in Beverly Hills. Called me two days ago and said, I realized, I was talking to the owner, oh, you're a doctor, just outta curiosity, have you heard of the Henry Ford health study?

And they said, oh yeah, it's being passed all through Kaiser right now. It's very disturbing and I think we're in a different time. We are all starting to really question. What's going on here? I think this thing's massive. I think it's, that's great. Think it's, we've tracked at least 25 million views worldwide, but when strangers, when heads of health departments on the other side of the planet are talking about it, I just think we, we now realize we can't track how many people have seen this film or this study.

Right. So yeah. All that to say, I think Bob is gonna let it run on its own merits instead of jumping in there. I think, and I hope what he's doing is it is time for our own regulatory agencies, HHS through CDC, maybe NIH, to do a massive vaccinated versus unvaccinated study. Yeah. On America's database.

That's what he is wanted to do. So I feel like this film and this study now primes the pump for that to happen so that when we see that study finally come, you'll realize it's not bias anymore. And I know Bobby. I said to him, we've all talked about it. When you finally get around to doing that study, please make sure there's scientists from both sides that have agreed to the study protocol so that it's been challenged, that it comes out so that no one can say, oh, that was done by, a bunch of anti-vaccine scientists that lost their license or whatever.

Bobby knows the importance of removing bias right now. Yes. And I think that he's trying to build that coalition to even do the study. I think that, I mean, I think that's what just happened with Menez at the CDC. Sure. I think she was unwilling to even do a study. And that's a

Dr. Brandon Crawford: problem. That is a problem.

Yeah. I agree. I, I mean obviously I don't know the pressures of, being in his position. I'm sure there are many, and some of them can be quite scary. So I, I mean, I, I know that he's, I, I know he's doing good work and he is trying to get as much done as he possibly can. I'm sure there's

Del Bigtree: Yeah.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: Unfathomable things that he has to try and overcome, so. Going back to your statement, if you're provax, you're anti-science. Yeah. Let's unpack that a little bit. Sure. 'cause now I think everyone listening is starting to understand that statement a little bit more. Mm-hmm. Um, when you say that, can you walk me through, you've already mentioned there's never been a, a double, double-blind, placebo controlled study.

Okay. Correct. Number one, why?

Del Bigtree: It's a really good question, and we have to go back to the historical background of vaccines, right. That takes us all the way back to smallpox and Edward Jenner. Mm-hmm. Edward Jenner in the middle of smallpox recognizes that the milk maids don't seem to be getting smallpox.

Yeah. And he sees these lesions of, on the sides of cows that are puss, and we recognize it as a px. They call that cowpox. And so that the vaccine is born in that moment. Um, and by the way, genius. Great. Like if this had worked fantastic. Exactly right. I mean, I'm not against, modernization or what, what this idea was.

But you know, I think, and this is just, in studying and looking, trying to answer that question. So he starts scraping the puss out of these cows, cutting people's arm and slapping, cowpox into their arms. This is, and by the way, vaca is cow, right? It's why it's called a vaccine. It literally comes from this moment.

You're in the middle of, I mean, we're, we're talking, over a hundred years ago. So you're in the middle of a, of, of, of, of a concern of a disease that's deadly and ravaging communities. And so I think they just. Said, well, who's gonna want a placebo based trial right now? It looks like it's working.

Some of the people that the milkmaids aren't getting it. Some of the people we're giving this to seem to be fighting off smallpox around them. So let's just go with it. And so that's how this program starts. The next major event you have, and by the way, not the world's greatest vaccine. I mean, it starts outbreaks in places that never would've Huge had it.

Yeah. Right. It kills some children who get exactly and die. So it's not like it has this perfect record. Mm-hmm. But they're terrified. And I guess they're weighing in. And now look, anyone, I mean, I'm only sort of reiterating what Suzanne Humphreys is laid out in dissolving illusions. One of the most important books on this subject that's ever.

Been written. So if anyone really wants to get the details, check that out. 'cause you see all the doctors are like, I don't think this thing's working. I think it's killing more children than it's saving, but that gets swept under the rug. Then comes polio, same thing. And pharma, I think early, very early into this says, wait a minute, if we put a, if we put a real positive outcome, we're saving lives.

Something that, by the way, no other products in medicine's really ever been able to state that. Right. Everything else in medicine is triage. Mm-hmm. It's, we can put you back together. If you're dying or you've been hit by a car or you get a disease, we'll try to give you drugs to help get rid of that disease.

There's nothing that was going to help you avoid ever getting sick. Right. That's a power medicine's always wanted. So, polio, same thing. We have polio. We don't have time to really do a Yeah. We gotta save the masses. We gotta save the masses. Yeah. So vaccines have always sat in, in the minds of the creators as an emergency.

Mm-hmm. Now, where was the emergency on the chickenpox vaccine? Right. There isn't one. Where's the emergency? On the measles vaccine, the death rate of that before the vaccine came along was one in 500,000. That's a zero exactly right. No emergency. But it got used to, it had got, it had the public convinced and used to this emergency measure.

So we're gonna skip all the other stuff that drugs have to go through so we can get on the market. I think since polio I, I mean, look, there should have been placebo trials even then. Sure. But since then, every vaccine since has been running on a false premise. Right. And then ultimately. Look at what a vaccine is.

What's so fascinating about it is I, I always try to talk to people like, imagine you're an entrepreneur, right? We all wanna create a new product. You wanna make money off of that product. Can you imagine a product that you don't have to advertise? 'cause the government pushes it on people. You can't be sued because it is liability protection by the government.

So you literally don't have to do any safety tests. And then, and then the, the worst it is at working in one shot doesn't do it. Look at COVID 10 shots. Exactly. So you get to sell 10 times the amount of product, the worse it works, and make even that much more money. So it's like, it is the dream, but here's the greatest marketing genius of all times.

And I gotta, I gotta recognize my opponent. My, the big tree comes from Mohawk, right? You gotta recognize that, you, the warriors you're up against. And I gotta hand it to them. This idea. That, starts, I think around polio where they really get rolling with it is this product only works if everyone takes it right?

There's nothing like it in the world. So if you think about it and look, COVID Iss a really good example for people to wrap their head around it. We now know that death rate of COVID was somewhere around 0.35%. Yeah, it's exactly where Trump by the way, got ridiculed saying, I think it's a lot less than 1%.

A bad flu season super bad would've been 0.5%. So this was, this was a bad flu. I mean that's now people have a hard time wrapping their head around that. Those are the international numbers as seen by multiple, mathematical bodies. Alright, so if you were an industry like pharma, would you rather make a product that only 0.35% of the population takes to keep them from dying?

Or would you rather have a product that you might even say, Hey, that 0.35%, they're too weak to be vaccinated? Absolutely. So the 99.65% of you have to take this product to protect that vulnerable group. That's genius. That's genius. That's genius. So look at this product. It's not like any drug, every drug.

Like take it at your own risk could die, could have this, all the side effects run on the commercials, but vaccines forget about all that. We need you to take the risk to like, protect that tiny little group. So 0.35% or nine or 99.65% is your audience and every government in the world forces you to take it.

Yeah, that's what we just watched. That is advertising genius. That is why the most lucrative future for the pharmaceutical industry is in vaccines. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. I still hear people say vaccines don't make them any money. Oh yeah. They are the second, third, usually fourth inside the top five highest grossing products now in every pharmaceutical company.

Hundreds of billions made just off of the COVID vaccine. That didn't even work.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: Absolutely. So you're talking about this concept of herd immunity. Yes. And I. It makes me cringe when people start talking about herd immunity because herd immunity has never been studied in the vaccinated population. Mm-hmm.

This is really based on an unvaccinated group of sheep that show that, hey, if a disease spreads through sheep, spreads through animals, then that develops immunity within the herd. Okay, that's true. But where's the vaccinated part of this, where's the study that actually shows that this herd immunity concept exists not only in animals but in humans?

Del Bigtree: You're absolutely right. It's been stolen from the term natural immunity. Yeah. Right. Herd immunity is something that they recognized in, in areas where measles would sweep through. They did. I wouldn't, and the studies on sheep are the ones that are most definitive. Mm-hmm. But there's sort of a observational study that an island that caught the measles wouldn't catch the measles again for.

10, 20, 30 years until there was enough kids born that weren't immune. Then suddenly, you would see it sweep through and, and, and everyone would be infected, not die. Like I said, especially by the 1960s. Soon as you have running clean, running water, measles becomes a trivial Exactly. Experience.

But then they tried to say they could achieve that with vaccines, and that was the measles vaccines. Very, when you look back at the scientists, there was, it was split 50 50 50 between the virologists, that believed we should vaccinate for measles. And the ones that said, don't ever do it. The reason being, the, the debate was this publicly, um, they were saying, look, measles is highly infectious, but has very low, mortality, morbidity, it's, it's a four day rash.

But because it's so infectious, there were, everyone's gonna catch it. Basically. We could be making a mistake if we pressure that virus. Right. This is something I think we know a little bit more after watching COVID. The idea of creating a leaky vaccine. If the vaccine does not eradicate that virus, you're pressuring it to mutate, it's going to nature, it's going to get stronger.

What happens if we take a trivial childhood illness and make it stronger? If it's that infectious, it could be the worst move we've ever made. They said, don't worry, we'll have it eradicated within five years. Well, they didn't, 1966 and seven, eight. It's still there. So they add a second booster shot, and then we've been on two boosters and then three, and now there's two more MMRs as adults.

Yeah. Meanwhile, every baby boomer prior, that was B born prior to the 1960s, um, in, when it started going out, even 1970 was when the vaccine program roll, really rolls out. But the baby boomers, they all caught measles once and they have been immune for life and immunity that has never, ever been achieved by a single vaccine.

They never, they didn't have to get five boosters. They don't have to, and when you really look at it, the success of the vaccine program has been built on the backs of the baby boomers because the vaccinators like to say, look, we have herd immunity. No, you don't. It's a waning immunity that's disappearing.

The only solid immunity that keeps the world sort of in or order is all of the baby boomers that are now just now starting to, leave us. And I'll tell you behind closed doors, the, the, the vaccinators know they've made a major mistake. We're about to lose herd immunity completely because the only generation that had it, it's now gonna be dying off.

Yeah. And so, as you well know, and I think the studies that I, I said this to Bobby. Bobby, the next time there's a measles outbreak, he, I, I think you should go in and study everybody. I think you should do blood tests on everybody, all the vaccinated kids in a high school, all the unvaccinated, because I suspect what we have with the measles vaccine is what we saw during COVID, which is it may be blocking your symptoms and keeping you from getting a rash.

But it looks like there's a lot of asymptomatic carriers. There are at the Disneyland outbreak, which I studied a lot mm-hmm. That was used as the example for why we needed a mandatory yes. Vaccine program. I think that was, was the, I think the outbreak was in 2015 or 16, maybe. Something like that. Something like that.

In that outbreak, 50% of the people that got measles were adults, meaning they'd already been vaccinated. Right. We know for a fact 30% had vaccine failure. Mm-hmm. Another 30% were had vaccine strain. Measles. Yes. So you were catching measles from the virus or from somebody that got the vaccine. Others clearly were vaccinated, didn't work.

Right. And so. There's so many unanswered questions around how that vaccine is actually working. And so to your point, I think there's really important studies that need to be done and both sides should want that study. We should wanna know, we've been at this long enough, why isn't measles eradicated?

Right. You had 95% vaccine uptake on measles for the last, 20 years. Why is it still here? It's not because some small group of people aren't vaccinating. Yeah. 95% was supposed to be, is well, more than you ever said it was gonna take. Right. It's just not

Dr. Brandon Crawford: working. Correct. And that leads into the discussion about low, medium, and high responders and how, not everyone has the same type of antibody response from a vaccine.

Yeah. Some people have none. Some people have a, a short duration response as well. The

Del Bigtree: virus itself too. Right? Exactly. I mean, like these, these, these, issues exist in natural infection too.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: Right. Well, you've mentioned COVID a few times. Have you looked at Kevin Mc Kiernan's work and Yeah. The DNA contamination Yes.

The with SV 40 promoter and whatnot. What are your thoughts on this? Look, I think

Del Bigtree: I, I'll say this, first of all. It's terrifying. And that is a legit scientist, right? Yeah. This is a guy that doesn't come, like, you can't go back in his history and say, this guy's been a rabid anti-vaxxer. He is not, not at all. Not at all, right? He's just saying, look, this vaccine was rushed on the market.

I'm seeing some things that are troubling based on my work and what I do, and, product cleanliness or like all of it, like how well was this product made? And as he's pointing out, many are the Pfizer beyond BioNTech. The product that was given to the public was not the one that was tested.

That's a huge problem. Big problem. That's massive. Yeah. I mean, should be like gel time kind of problem. It's, it's a serious problem. What do you mean? You test one product and made a different one and gave that to the public? So right there. Is a massive issue. And what he's talking about with DNA contamination, I mean, these numbers are off the charts.

I mean, this is an issue. It's not like it's an issue. No one thought of, there are regulations on the limits. The amount of foreign DNA particles can be in an injectable product like a vaccine. This is off the charts. And so just, I mean, I mean, I'm not, a, a, a, the level science, but you know, when you are growing, viruses or when there's DNA particles, if you can't extract them, if you can't extract them from the product, you're sending foreign protein into a body.

I mean, just, I just, you have to imagine, think of it like when you get a, um, an organ transplant. You have to take drugs the rest of your life. In most situations, I know it, to keep your body from seeing that as a foreign protein, as a foreign invader. What do you think about DNA particles from someone else's body?

It's one of the things, there's a great, um, stem cell and biologist experts named Theresa Dyer, who years ago I had on the show. She's world renowned and she looked at autism and vaccine. She believes it's the MMR and the varicella that is the aborted fetal DNA protein that's in the vaccine. By the way, those vaccines are some of the only ones that don't have adjuvants as we know it.

Meaning a, a neurotoxin that incites your body into reacting, which is what we put into immune stimulator. Yes. Yeah, immune stimulator, which is a crazy concept. We can get into that. MMR doesn't need one. Why she believes, and I think it's clear, what she's saying is, it's a fascinating statement. When you're pregnant, there's a moment where the DNA from the baby gets into the bloodstream when it reaches a certain level.

That is what creates labor is when there's so much DNA from the baby that is now overwhelming. The body then rejects the baby and pushes. The baby out. Interesting. There is more foreign DNA in an MMR vaccine than a mother needs in her bloodstream to induce labor. That's frightening. That's frightening.

Geez. Okay, so, so DNA particles, and that's what we're seeing in Yeah. DNA is frightening in the, um, in the coronavirus is these DNA contaminants that are all over the vaccine. Yeah. And,

Dr. Brandon Crawford: And I mean, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I do like to follow the facts.

Del Bigtree: Mm-hmm.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: But it just rubs me the wrong way that it, it feels as though that was done on purpose.

I mean, everything, all the evidence kind of points otherwise. I mean, that's a huge mistake to make. And we see a lot of people that have, honestly, some of the wildest vaccine reactions I've ever seen to COVID. I've never seen so much post vaccine psychosis in my office. Yeah. Psychosis, depression,

Del Bigtree: I think it's a, I mean, so, so I say this and I, and I'm with you. Obviously I get labeled. I think I'm probably in the top 10 conspiracy theorists in the world, but I don't see myself as a conspiracy theorist the way that label works out. I don't say anything I can't prove. Sure. And so I can't prove, I haven't found the evidence of, of actual malice where they've attempted to hurt people.

I will say this, this vaccine is so good at killing people in so many different ways. It seems like a perfect weapon. I am having a harder and harder time describing that as accidental because of how effective it is. Doesn't mean I still can't show you the smoking gun, but I would point out that some of the biggest proponents like Bill Gates, what's the other thing they talk about all the time, is the need to reduce the population of the planet.

And so I'm not gonna jump to cause, but I will say this, when powerful entities tell you their number one agenda to save humanity is to reduce the population, I would also follow what they're investing inly and when their number one investment ends up being vaccines. I think that you've gotta start it certainly, it certainly has to make you start questioning what the narrative that person or that group is funding into your television and telling you.

Um, I'll go this far, whether or not what COVID is doing is, is sterilizing women. We know that that's a huge problem. It's, I mean, there's so many things wrong with it. DNA contamination, you have the fatty lipid, which helps it cross the blood-brain barrier. It also helps to get into your heart and get into, um, your organs.

And there's a huge study we're gonna be reporting on this week on the highwire that's breaking right now in, um, the American Heart Association has now got, is publishing a study that shows that it appears that the spike protein that is in the vaccine mirrors amino acids in your, in your, um, the vessels of your heart.

Mm-hmm. That when we're teaching the immune system to attack spike protein, in many people, it's gonna attack the heart on accident. Right. That's huge. Right. That's called cell mimicry, a whole other problem. I mean, we could go on and on and all the problems right. That this thing is causing, but to, here's my perspective the WHO Bill Gates, Gavi, um, the un, um, almost every major sort of medical institution in the world describes the need to reduce.

Population as the way to protect our resources that we're running outta resources. True or false? I mean, I'm not even gonna, like, I, I, I don't think it's wrong to be looking at, are we gonna have enough food for everybody? All of those questions. But we've already seen a vaccine program in Kenya was caught sterilizing.

Women. Um, I think the same thing has happened in India. Both have kicked the groups out of their countries. We use a vaccine program on our deer population in America to keep there from being too many deer running across the road. Right? So you've gotta recognize this vaccine program is a great way to sterilize certain populations.

Here's what I believe. And, and I'm, and I say this honestly, like I, I mean, I, I also was like a Hollywood writer for some time. I always think about all sides of it. The, the bad guys usually think they're doing what's right. The easiest bad guy is just an evil. He's out to do evil. Yeah. The worst kind is the one that actually think they're doing great, and I'm proud of themselves as they're wiping out humanity.

But. If you were concerned, as I would say, most major nations are down the road, we may run outta resources. How would we control that? You do not have a better delivery system for population control than a vaccine. People that are worried about chemtrails and all that. And I investigate that too. But as far as I'm concerned, that's falling on all of us.

Yeah. The people that are trying to control the world too, why would they wanna be breathing? The same thing. They're taking an antidote or they wearing a gas mask, I don't know. But vaccines is perfect. And the vaccine passport great. You don't know what the little bells and whistles like, whether you've been TSA approved or not on your vaccine.

But when you go in, beep. Oh, this box of vaccines comes out for you. This thing's about to have my socioeconomic space. Do I live in Watts, Los Angeles? Am I in downtown Detroit or do I have a mansion in Beverly Hills? Guess how easy would be for us to get two totally different vaccines. Oh, and shocking in the poor neighborhood.

They're really having a high rate of infertility right now, and miscarriages and things like that all could be done with the vaccine program. So whether or not we're using it now to reduce population, it is not lost on anyone in science that in the future, the greatest way to control your population would be for your population to be used to walking up, getting injected with a product.

They never ask a question about how many is this? What's in it? We, they, they were getting away with it. We weren't asking any questions. Right? Now I think

Dr. Brandon Crawford: the game has changed.

Del Bigtree: I agree. We've got people asking questions. Yeah. For all the right reasons. Right.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: I don't know if you've seen the, um, it's like a little sticker now you can put on your wrist that's gonna be delivering vaccine.

Oh yeah. The

Del Bigtree: little micro microderm. Yeah. It, yeah. It's scary as crap. And, and die is you like, puts a permanent dye in you that contract track whether you've gotten it or not. Absolutely. Lovely idea. I mean, we, we should do it here first. 'cause I don't think anything states freedom and independence like a forced product that dies me to make sure that I've exactly been forced to take it.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: It, it does make me think of the market of the beast. Mm-hmm. I mean, it's hard not to go in that direction with us.

Del Bigtree: Yeah.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: To be honest. So, you mentioned earlier about how vaccines are shielded from liability. Yeah. So this happened back in 1986. This was not a new event. No. But. So, like I was saying earlier, right?

So I make lasers. I have to test those. I have to make sure that the component parts are safe. Everything together is safe. I have to make sure there's either predicate devices or I have to do de novo studies. I have to prove they're safe. And there's a couple of reasons why we have to do this. Number one, it's a product to help people.

I have to prove it's gonna help people and not hurt people. Number two, from a financial, from a company perspective, if I do hurt someone, they can sue us. And that makes us have to really make sure that our product is safe. But vaccines are not like that. Now, if someone is injured, what? What happens? Like what is unfolding in this liability story?

Del Bigtree: Well, you're right. Liability is one of the greatest tools of a free market. Mm-hmm. Which is what America is supposed to represent. Right? We don't have government in supposed to, not supposed to interfere with how our market works. Selection and choice, the better, made the best man win. The best product wins natural selection.

That's what our market is supposed to represent as best as it can. Right. When you change a major element, like this product suddenly has no liability, no one making, it can be sued, no one delivering. It can be sued, no building you receive it in can be sued. You throw nature into flux and have a major issue there.

The reason it was passed, and I think it's important because there was both sides were at the table. Right. I always wanted, like, we tend to look at this, from, um, a biased lens, but I, I did a great interview with Barbara Lo Fisher, who was one of the moms Yeah. Supporting the Vaccine Injury Compensation Act.

Mm-hmm. As she described it, it the, they worked on it for, I think over a year, but the night before it passed, they rewrote the whole thing and it changed the nature of what she thought it would be, but. To begin with, it happens because the pharmaceutical industry in the court document states that we're losing so much money from death and injury from the vaccine program.

We can't make a profit. So just, just put that in your cap. Sure. Right. This product is so bad of, of all the things pharma makes and recalls and all the mistakes it makes the amount of people that die and the lawsuits that happened, vaccines is the only one that was so bad they couldn't make a profit.

And so they go to Ronald Reagan and essentially blackmail him. I would say they, they put the pressure down and say, we're gonna stop making all vaccines unless you protect us from liability. And of course the Congress had to agree to it and it was huge hearings and they decided to say yes. I think that, for Barbara Lo Fisher's perspective, she put in the vaccine court side, which was supposed to be a, um.

Forget the, is it non-confrontational court? But where what they recognize is we all, we know some children are a casualty of this vaccine program. There's allergic reactions, there's kids getting injured and maimed, but we want to vaccinate everybody. And what she said is. We parents that are having these injured kids, her being one of her, her own, her son was injured.

We can't afford to fight Pfizer. We can't go to court. They can wait us out. So if we're going to be a casualty that's just accepted by a mandated vaccine program, then the government should have a way of just saying, yes, we recognize that's an injury that happens from vaccines. You don't have to fight in court, you don't have to fight Pfizer.

We're just gonna pay you. Here you go. Sorry. You're one of the ones that got injured. That was the idea around it. But it was supposed to be just a strap on. You could still go sue Pfizer if you wanted to. Right. It was just for those parents that just wanted couldn't relief. Yeah. Okay. Instead it became, the only way you can't, what it changed overnight is you suddenly can't see Pfizer at all and this is the only court you're gonna go into.

And then you had a problem. Now your government's the one holding the liability. Mm-hmm. Right? And by, so this happened in 1986. By early 2000, um, you had about 5,000 families lined up. In vaccine court. This, this no fault court. That's what it's no fault court with autism. And up until that point, each autism case injury from vaccines was paying between three to $5 million for the lifelong costs.

Mm-hmm. These parents were enduring for the child all the way through their adulthood and death. If they're gonna need, they're gonna be in a home, they can't leave their home. Once their parents died, then who's gonna take care of 'em? Huge expenses and all the health issues. So now the government was suddenly staring at, oh my God.

5,000 cases at three to 5 million a piece. Just type that into your calculator. This was going to, this was going to suck all of the money out of the, the, the tax program. The way the liability protection worked was we're paying a tax on every vaccine that's going to a pool that'll pay those families, right.

That would've wiped out that entire like that in fact. It probably would wipe out every health department in the American system, in our, in our government system. And now they have a problem, Houston, we have a problem. And so that's when you see the court starts fighting back and saying, no, no way the vaccines cause autism.

We could get into details on omnibus proceedings and all of the shenanigans that took place, but that's when they started. It became everything but a no fault system. It became a, there's no way you can prove vaccine injury. We're never gonna pay you. And that's where we've been at for several decades. So it's horrible.

And as I say in Vaxxed, as I, in the second screening, I was like, where's this audience? That's the road, filling the road down the block. So I started in every q and a after our film. In the second screening we ever did publicly, I just would start the q and A by saying, would everyone of the vaccine or your child please stand up?

And three quarters of the audience stood up that very first day. Yeah. And it was like all the oxygen got sucked outta the room. I really, I genuinely made the film with Andy. We interviewed like 10 families. I knew there was an issue, but I thought it was like rain man. I thought it was like super rare.

Three quarters of the audience, I asked that question. Four shows a day, five days a week for an entire year, and three quarters of the audience stood up every time. Right. I can answer Ask it now, and it's three quarters of the audience.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: Yeah, I can echo that. Yeah. I mean, as a provider, yeah. I've been able to work with patients from around the world three different clinics right here at Atlanta Dubai.

I've always had a global patient base and same thing. I mean, sometimes I don't have to ask, they'll volunteer the information, mm-hmm. I had a normal child until, or, we had some mild a SD symptoms, but then after. This round of vaccines, it became severe, or the HPV with dystonia has been, a, a common thread, the HPV vaccine and a teenager, and then they suddenly developed dystonia.

So it's not always autism, it can be quite intriguing what people, one, one time a a kid came in paralyzed and, I'm sitting here thinking spinal cord injury or, something like that. And I'm taking the history, no, it developed after vaccine.

Del Bigtree: Yeah.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: Literally started, having numbness and tingling and then woke up the next morning with paralysis.

I'm thinking, oh my gosh. Okay. The, the striking thing here that is frightening. You mentioned all the dollars paid, all the people fighting trying to, be reimbursed for this. That represents like 1%.

Del Bigtree: And I think it's, I think it's like $4 billion. Yeah. By the way, in that court that's pushing back everywhere, it can, it's still paid out, I think over four, maybe even 5 billion now.

Yeah. In damages. And those are the people that know about the court. Most people don't even know it exists. Exactly. Usually takes 10 years to get through it, so you better be loaded. Mm-hmm. And then they don't usually pay your lawyers. It's a disaster. It's one of the things I think Bobby's really working at cleaning up and fixing, which would be huge.

Let's, let's be honest, let's take care of those that are being injured by this product. But, that's why I made, that's why this film is really the culmination of the work that I've done for, I guess eight, nine years now, which is, this isn't just autism. And that's what this film is about.

This film is about the 54% of chronic disease we have in America, or actually that's with kids. You look at adults, the new study, the CDC is saying 76.4% of adults in America now have a chronic disease. It's, we're the sickest nation in the world, right? This is the sickest generation of kids we've ever seen.

And I think you've gotta wrap your head around that then, because we, we grow up thinking about American exceptionalism, our arguments against ever having a socialized medical system. I'm not saying 'cause I want one, but it was always like, we have the greatest hospitals in the world, the best doctors in the world.

Why would we mess with that? Actually we, we clearly are doing something wrong. 'cause we have more babies die on the first day of life than every other industrialized nation combined. Yeah. You are my more likely to die before reaching the age of 18 in this country than any other major rich nation in the world.

So we're doing something terribly, terribly wrong. Our do, oh, by the way, I think we have the highest, um, maternal deaths in childbirth in the industrialized world. So our moms are dying. More in hospitals than every other nation. So we're, we're not, we have to really have a coming come to Jesus moment here.

Yeah. Something has gone seriously off the rails in America. And so we can no longer, and if there's one thing I would say now is, you can no longer bow down or kneel down to this clergy of this really sick cult, which is all that. It really is true. This isn't science. Science would've explained it.

Science would love to you to ask the question. Stims would love the opportunity to debate Robert Kennedy Jr. In public and say, here's why vaccines are so great when they refuse to appear in public, when they cannot show you a single placebo study, but got New York Times and Washington Post screaming that it's not true.

We've done those studies. I I say this now to every reporter in New York Times, Washington Post, they know it. I was like, it's incredible. I keep asking for a placebo trial. You keep writing that. The experts say that's not true, but you're a journalist. Why aren't they handing the documents and when they hand 'em to hand them to me and then I'll shut up, I'll be done.

Hand them over. Right? Do you think I'm, you think Robert Kennedy Jr. You think I ran his campaign on a, um, on a slogan that he couldn't stand by, which is there's never been a placebo based trial of any childhood vaccines yet. You'll let Paul off it. Or these other people say that's just not true.

Categorically not true, really? Then the 16 vaccines, here's the 16 placebo trials, they can't do it. And you're, and, and people are onto it now, and this is what our film does so well, it shows what you can look for. You can watch the giant word salad that now is being asked in public as they try to get around.

Well, I mean, we, there's already vaccines that exist on the market and we can't really, blah, blah, blah, blah. Meaning no placebo trial, meaning no science, meaning no proof of safety. What I love is then they'll say, well, this is what they love to say, and I'm, I'm, I'm gonna call them out because we need people to understand how this game is played.

What they'll say is, we don't need to do a placebo based trial any longer. We've been using vaccines for 50 years and, and thereby have seen their safety in action. Yeah, I've seen it in action. Yeah. 54% chronic disease across America. Yeah, absolutely. The sickest children in the world. And they'll say, well, you can't blame that on vaccines.

I say, you just use the health outcomes of our kids as your evidence that your product is safe. And I'm saying the evidence is they're the sickest we've ever seen. So you can't have it both ways. You're gonna have to do a study now that shows the vaccine are healthier, and that's the whole point of an inconvenient study.

Absolutely. What the takeaway is, and this is why I say you are now, if you are pro-vaccine, you are anti-science. There is not a single study. In the entire world from every, not from one single health department in any nation in the world that can show you a study that compared their vaccinated kids to their unvaccinated kids and showed that the vaccinated are the ones who have better health outcomes, lower rates of autism, lower rates of A DHD, lower rates of lupus and diabetes, and bowel syndromes, Crohn's disease, eczema, psoriasis, speech delays, learning disabilities.

Why can't, why, why can't anyone in the world show us a study that the vaccine are healthier? It doesn't exist. That's. I mean, you would think they could manipulate it. You would would think that they could like some, and that's why I think when you look at the Henry Ford study, you realize why they can't, the, the disparity yes.

Between these two is so vast. There's no way to manipulate the study to somehow get the vaccine to look like they're healthier. Absolutely. It is kryptonite as far as data goes around the world. And so, now we have some, we have the scientific body has explaining to do. Yeah. And it can't. Absolutely. And now what we're left with is a scientific body that's never gonna admit it was wrong.

Because it's liable government agencies that will never admit they're wrong, they're liable for trillions of dollars in damages now because they made us take these products telling us it was making us a healthier nation, and we can't go to school without it. What happens when we suddenly go, oh my God, the government's gonna be sued for the millions of children's whose lives have been destroyed.

And so we're in a position now where you could sit as a parent, you can wait for a news, for your news anchor that's being funded by the pharmaceutical industry to finally admit to you what you're going to see in an inconvenience study and all the other studies like it. And wait. Or you can say, you know what, at this point, as a parent I'm, I'm gonna have to use my own intuition now, and I'm gonna have to do my own deep research and I'm gonna have to start making decisions because.

I don't want my child's health to be based on a coin toss. It is a 50. It's worse. It's worse than a 50 50 coin toss if your child is going to

Dr. Brandon Crawford: be free

Del Bigtree: of

Dr. Brandon Crawford: chronic

Del Bigtree: disease or not.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: Much worse. Absolutely. Well, on, on my side, right? So I've got a different fight. I'm fighting, right? Because these people are coming to me injured.

Yeah. Like the, the boy I told you about earlier, who's paralyzed? Well, he's not paralyzed anymore. He has full function of his legs after we worked with him. Amazing. I've been able to take nonverbal autistic children. They can now speak. They have a voice. Amazing. I have a, a book that I just had a, I just turned 40 and I threw my back out over the weekend proving it.

So, um, so, I have a book, they put lots of patients, wrote in and one of them was I'm able to, to say happy birthday because of you. Right. I mean, this kind of stuff. Right. A child right now, Millie, born with Alo Bar. This is not related to vaccine, but Alo a Lobar ho LoPro, cephalic we're developing her brain.

Never been seen before, never been done before. We have all this going on. Yet, when I bring it to colleagues, when I bring it to medical conferences, when I bring it to all this kind of stuff, they, they either say, well, they must have not been diagnosed properly, or, you know that, well, that's not properly studied.

It's junk science. I'm like, guys, this is real. Like, so that's my fight. Right. We're, we're busy fighting that fight. We're all fighting that fight. Exactly. I mean,

Del Bigtree: yeah. And then, well to that point, 'cause it's really you're, it's what puts me in the middle of this, when I was working this on the doctor's television show.

The first couple years I was a, I was the field producer, so I went out and would shoot the stories that would go into the shows. And so I scrubbed into, I mean, I helped the executive producer of the doctors. I was on Dr. Phil. They said, Dell, we're creating a new show work with that executive producer on developing it.

So I was the first one ever scrubbing into ORs and shooting surgeries. We had to figure out how you do it, right. How am I allowed in, how am I make sure I'm not pausing any issues? Cameras hadn't been there. I shot hundreds and hundreds of surgeries. For the show and people would say, like, what did you learn from that?

Like, what did you learn from your experience on the doctors? And I would say that medical evolution is the slowest moving animal in the world. Mm-hmm. We've never overcome the Galileo effect, which is as soon as we hear something that changes science as we know it, we don't all celebrate it. We throw that guy in jail, we put him in a house arrest, we go after their license.

And that's exactly what happened on the doctors. I mean, the beauty of that show. Was you could, I always say it had like a Santa Claus effect to it, which was, we'd go online, people writing in all these different injuries and illnesses and just crazy stories, right? And that's what our show is based on.

Let me find this crazy problem someone's has and then see if there's a doctor, anyone in where in the world that can cure it or do a surgery or anything. And so as a producer, it was an awesome experience because I could find someone around the world and say, Hey, I've got a person that is, you know, living in a trailer park, so has no money, but they have this issue.

And I think you've figured out how to do a surgery that fixes that. Would you do that surgery for free on the doctors, therefore getting advertising and putting yourself on the map? I mean, I think it was like a hundred percent yes. Yeah. I mean, I could ask for a million. I gave away million dollar surgeries, right?

To people. And then the show, I mean, people were in tears. You've saved this person's life. It was so amazing. But I'll tell you this. Of the, probably the three biggest miracle workers. I mean, where I was in and watched, I just watched a human being do something that should not be possible, saved a life at a level that is just off the charts.

The three times I remember thinking that. I don't think any of those doctors have their license today, and they were under threat when I watched them performing those miracles. And I would ask them, certainly all of medicine's coming your direction, do they, Mayo Clinic, everyone must be lining up. And they're like the opposite.

They're coming after my license because they do not want to change. They don't wanna leave, cut and burn with cancer. They don't want to re-look at how we're using surgeries on backs. They don't want to go into the brain to figure out the way that I'm getting the tumors without touching brain tissue.

And so instead of being celebrated. The best of the best that I ever saw were fighting to keep their licenses. And it, it was like, it's like Raiders of the lost arc. You finally find the arc. There it is. And then mainstream medicine just shells it away somewhere in a basement somewhere, never to be seen again.

That is what's happening to the greatest products and the best ideas happening in medicine. And you are fighting for your life. I know you are. Yep. The better you are at it, the more you know unbelievable the results, the more likely your days are numbered into keeping your practice going. You're at a risk.

Absolutely. It's horrifying. And it's at the exact opposite of watching all these medical shows. All the shows on tv, like these heroes, the exact opposite of what it is.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: It's absolutely opposite. Yes. And sometimes you're like, shh, don't tell anyone. Right. That the show really was, it would never be, shh.

Don't

Del Bigtree: tell anyone. Yeah. I don't wanna lose my license. We can save this person's life. Yeah. But if they find out how we're doing it, we're finished. Yes.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: I, I. Not gonna say what we did, but we did help some, well, multiple times. And I've had to say, no social media, don't post this. Don't talk about it. Right.

Don't you know, don't spread it. Shh. No. Yeah. Go shut us down. Yeah. That's

Del Bigtree: a true statement. And think about how horrifying that is. Yeah. That that that part of a miracle that you're a part of should be celebrate. How many lives could you save? Yeah. But instead you're like, just this one between us that is happening all around the world.

Mm-hmm. There are so many, so many cures, so many great ideas, so many amazing practitioners that you're never gonna hear about because our establishment, goes after them. The second it becomes public. We don't want to evolve. Absolutely.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: One topic I do wanna make sure we cover before we wrap this up is the concept of coercion.

Mm, because it's it's like a dagger to the heart. When I hear these stories one of the worst story, well, not the worst story, but one of the worst stories I've heard, it was recently family comes in, right? They, they don't want, they were not true like anti-vaxxers. They were just questioning.

And so they were delaying. They had not yet vaccinated. They took their kid to their pediatrician. I think he was sick or something. Pediatrician comes in, says, okay, do this, this, and this. But by the way, you need to vaccinate your kid so well, we're still not fully sure. We don't really know if we wanna do that.

It's okay. He leaves the room, he comes back with three other doctors, and this team of physicians then towers over the parents, bullies

Del Bigtree: them,

Dr. Brandon Crawford: says, outnumbers them. Number one, you're not gonna be able to be a patient here. If you don't vaccinate, we may have to call CPS. If you don't vaccinate, your child might die from these very preventable causes, et cetera.

So they vaccinate their kid. What unfolds is horrendous. This child ends up with severe autism, severe. And I think this kind of ties into why you created the Informed Consent Action Network. Mm-hmm. But true informed consent doesn't look like coercion. Why, where, what should parents do? Right. They're in this situation.

Let's just get to that.

Del Bigtree: Well, alright. To begin with, just look up the Nuremberg Code. You can type it in right now. Nuremberg Code. This is the document that came out of the Nazi trials of the Nazi doctors and I love that you go there. Yeah. Yeah. I'm, this is, I've named my nonprofit after this specifically, people are, oh, is gonna, no, I'm, let's be clear.

After trying these doctors for performing medical experiments on innocent people without their consent, we know it happened in concentration camps and that included surgeries on them. They didn't drugs, vaccines. They were trying everything they were advancing. Something you could argue through horrific means we're advancing the knowledge of science.

And one that was all over, and most of them were hung. The free nations of the world came together and wrote the Nuremberg Code, which is said to be the foundational principle of modern medicine. And the very first number one rule is the rule of informed consent. And it essentially states that the voluntary participation of the patient is critical to medicine in a free world.

And that no. And it says no use of force or coercion is allowed that a patient must be given all of the potential benefits of this procedure or this product and also be told all the potential side effects and risks to the product or the procedure. And so that's written in informed consent. The first rule of the Nuremberg code.

When we look at this vaccine program, there is not a greater coercion beyond what you're just saying. What does it mean if you are told your child cannot go to school unless they are injected with these products? That is coercion and every state that's doing it is breaking the Nuremberg code. That's it.

So we are breaking the a critical foundational law. Of modern medicine, and you could try to excuse that away, all that you want. But I have done hundreds of interviews, just like the one that you've done. I've watched parents get bullied into it. And I will say this very clearly. The next time you find your pediatrician saying, you can't come back to this practice if you don't do whatever that is your opportunity to walk away from this HealthScape of modern medicine.

Absolutely. I don't, I, I'll never tell people what to do, but I don't, I, my kids have never seen a pediatrician. Yeah. I don't, I don't see the point. Yeah. They do two things. They weigh your baby and they vaccinate your baby. You can weigh your baby. Right. And you don't want the rest of what they do. And, and they'll be like, oh, well, serious.

No, no, seriously, if it's anything beyond that. My my baby. Like if your baby's really having an issue, they're gonna tell you go to the er. Yeah. Which you would do naturally. A chiropractor can do the same thing. You know what, beyond my area of expertise, go to an er. Yeah. Pediatricians are really there for one reason.

To inject your child with totally untested products that I think are going to be a, a major responsibility in autism, which a huge study by Peter Uff just came out. Yes. 126 studies that all point to the leading, most changeable cause of autism being vaccines and to the point I wanted to get back to it because it's something people don't really understand.

Um, the HHS Bobby and FDA, Marty Mc McCarey just put forward Leucovorin, which is the first drug that has ever been approved by the FDA for the use in autism. Mm-hmm. Now, whether or not, I'm sure you probably have opinions on it, and I know for sure no product, not, there's nothing that's gonna be a one size fits all for autism.

But what people don't recognize happened in that moment was for the first time ever, HHS and the regulatory bodies of America, by having a product that could make an autistic child healthier or their life better, says this isn't genetic. That this is an environmental cause and we can fix it. And that's where you're running into issues, I'm sure.

Yes, is mainstream medicine has tried to make us believe this is an unfixable problem. It's a genetic problem, and it's been here. We just never, we're just diagnosing it better. Right. I mean, that is the statement. Yes. As soon as products can make a child start speaking again, you have just left the universe of this is genetic.

Absolutely. And that's what they never wanted to have happen. Yeah. Even though it is so easy to refute that statement, which is really, it's always been here. So we should see paintings of autistic children on hieroglyphics in the Egyptian pyramids. Exactly. Why is it none of the great di diagnosticians of our time or, or before our time, charco or Tourettes or Freud, all they did was go into insane asylums and, and describe everything they found there.

It's how we know about schizophrenia. It's how we know, like the entire diagnostic manual for mental illness was written by those guys. Mm-hmm. We're never done a better job. And yet nowhere in their descriptions of what they're seeing in assailant. Asylums is the description of autism. Yeah. That's impossible.

It's one in 12.5 boys in California. I think they would've seen it. Absolutely. Whereas Bobby puts its simplest, where are the autistic men my age? Exactly. They don't exist. They don't exist. And so that is what you're running into is the orthodoxy is crashing down. Now, the more we see products, the more we admit you can heal and cure autism, then the more the last 40 years of medicine is proved to have been lying to us and wasting taxpayer money and destroying children for no reason.

Absolutely.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: It's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking.

Del Bigtree: It's sad to think that we could be this misled, but it's also sad to think how many practitioners like yourself have been hiding. I mean, that's what I wanna point out. I mean, there's a lot of doctors just like, the center of my film and Dr.

Marcus Zervos that don't do the right thing. They know better. They know where there should go, and they're just afraid. And there's the ones that are trying to do what's right, but have to be so careful about it.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: Yeah.

Del Bigtree: If we had a different environment that wasn't controlled by the pharmaceutical industry, if we were truly scientific, we would invite all of these questions, we would invite every laser, like, let us look, let's challenge it.

I'm sure you'd be like, bring it. Absolutely. Bring every challenge you have. Let's go NIH. Let's go FDA, let's go. My doors are open. Doors are wide open. Absolutely. And I think that that's, I think that is gonna be the evolution that's taking place right now. Yeah. But will only happen when we, when we recognize as and as patients and as citizens, when we start demanding, I need evidence from you now.

Yeah. I need evidence that these vaccines are gonna make my kid healthier. Don't, don't, don't tell me about chickenpox. I didn't die of chickenpox. I had it. Don't tell me about measles. My parents didn't die of measles. Were every, let me make it clear. I, I say this. I always get off on the track, but when I'm, when a journalist will say to me, Dell, they, they love saying this, Dell, how does it feel that you are getting people killed by the measles?

It's like, what do you mean? They're like, the, the statements you make and the the media you do gets people to stop vaccinating, those gonna die from the measles. 'cause measles is deadly. I was like, it's deadly. Huh? They're like, yes. I was like, okay, then how are you here asking me that question? Like, what do you mean?

I was like, I mean, you're standing here telling me measles are deadly and ask me this question. Can, are we agreed that measles is like one of the most infectious diseases on the planet? Yeah. It's everyone will catch it. Right? Right. Okay. Which means every one of our ancestors caught it and we are all here.

Absolutely. 7 billion people are here because their parents and grandparents didn't die of the measles.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: Exactly, and in fact inferred that, conferred that immunity onto subsequent generations.

Del Bigtree: And we could do a whole show on that. I mean, me let just, I mean, I don't dunno how much time we have and I've gotta catch a playing soon, but measles just very quickly 'cause it's the big conversation.

This is, this is where in our hubris in the, the ego of medicine really messed things up. I. Infants. When you look back at measles outbreaks throughout time, infants don't die of measles. They don't catch it, and they knew then. That's because the mother, when she caught measles at five years old, six years old, seven, that lifelong immunity is so powerful.

It's passed on at birth to the baby. Yes, it's and lasts for at least a year and a half. If the mother breastfeeds, it can extend to two or more years. That's right. At two years old, a year and a half, the baby's perfectly healthy to handle a measles infection. Certainly shouldn't happen to a few days old or a few months old.

That would be a weak infant. There were no weak infants in the world because the herd immunity we had, those infants were all born to mothers that had been affected because everyone had caught it. Then when we started vaccinating, slowly but surely we changed the type of immunity we have. As we pointed out now you need two vaccines, three vaccines.

It's waning, but one thing is known. Even if you inject that mother with a measles vaccine seven days before she gives birth, the baby gets zero from it. That's right. Has zero protection. And so now for the first time in history, every one of our infants is vulnerable to measles. It's the fear alarm they wanna set off.

If you don't vaccinate, we can't protect the infants. The only reason that infant is now in harm's way is because of your vaccine program. And I will say this, I think they meant well. I think they set out to eradicate disease, but the only thing the vaccine program achieved was its eradicated herd immunity itself.

Right? Absolutely. We no longer have it, and now pharma makes a fortune vaccinating you over and over and over again trying to achieve what This beautiful machine built by God. In, in an environment that worked perfectly, we could handle these diseases. We caught them once and we never had to worry about it again.

Yeah. Now we are perpetually in harm's way. We are perpetually being poisoned by vaccines. And I really think in these next few years, and I I'll say this to every doctor that's not looking at this, every parent don't be the last person to be wrong about vaccines.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: Absolutely. And I, I agree with your statement.

I think that there was, I think that the doctors and a lot of the scientists initially, like that's what they were trying to do. They were trying to eradicate disease, but then others stepped in and they saw the money train, they saw the ability to actually create their own client, like what you just described.

And now we're in a bit of a sticky situation. So for everyone listening. I might be kinda scared now. Um, what are the action steps? What can they start to do? How do they make sure that their children are safe? What, what are some things they need to do?

Del Bigtree: Well, I mean, look, I think that I'm not a doctor, I'm a journalist.

Sure. Right? And so I'm, I'm not into giving health recommendations. I give education recommendations. Right. And at least in, and I would say one thing you can do right now is get informed immediately. Yes. It's not impossible. Let me tell you how you get the information. Your doctor's gonna kick you out of the practice for asking for, which is, I want to see the warning label that was wrapped around the vaccine.

You should ask that. I wanna see the insert. You're, you've got an injection, but it didn't start there. It came in a box, and in that box has a warning label. All the ingredients, all the testing, all the information about that product. Please hand that to me. I wanna read it before I get this vaccine. It's a perfect test if you get any attitude about that whatsoever.

That is a perfect moment to recognize that this doctor is not out for my best good, their ego's involved and they're uninformed. If they hand it to you, go, great, read it. Come back to me. You probably have a pediatrician that's open to the future of where medicine is going. Yes. Now take that insert. If they give it to you, probably won't then if they don't, here's the easy thing you can do at home right now.

Type in FDA licensed vaccines in Google. It'll pop up and it'll have every single vaccine. Now, some of those are adult vaccines, so then pull up the CDCs childhood schedule and look at the vaccines you need and then go to that list and go, okay, for instance, for Comba vaccine, HB vac H the Hepatitis B vaccine.

That's given to your day one old baby that you will probably have Child protective Services called on you if you decide not to get it. And then click on re comvax and then it'll say Package insert type package insert. That's that paper that you should have read and then just read it. Yeah. If you want to keep it simple, just go to, there's a section on side effects.

There's a section on ingredients. I always say go to 6.1 on all of them. 6.1 is where they describe the science behind how they established it was safe. The five day studies, the five day study of a hepatitis B re comvax, it's, it's five days, 147 kids total. Wow. For five days. They established safe with no placebo group.

And so every time someone says, oh, that janky study that says whatever, oh, Jan than 147 kids for five days. Right. I mean that's, I just saw a, a p is coming out against Luca. Orrin and the proper safety studies haven't been done to say that this is safe to give it to autism. I said, however, we recommend the hepatitis B vaccine for everyday one old baby after a five day safety study with no 147 kids in no placebo group.

Get off your high horse. You're all full of it. Exactly. There is no science. And that's what people need to come away with, that it's a religion. We've believed in this religion. It is got no science behind it. And the sooner we realize that, the sooner we start demanding science. And hey, how about we just start with, how about we put liability back on the manufacturers?

Sure. Let's see how many vaccines they'll stand behind. Absolutely. Once they're

Dr. Brandon Crawford: liable. I think we should.

Del Bigtree: Yeah,

Dr. Brandon Crawford: absolutely. Well, I know we're getting close on time. Yeah. So I thoroughly appreciate you coming and speaking on this topic. It's one of the most important conversations that I think I'll ever have.

And just thank you for all the work that you're doing, um, all the lives that you're changing. And like my wife said, I knew I was right, but his information really made me feel better about my decision. So there's a lot of those people out there too. Yeah. But truly, thank you so much. I really do appreciate everything that you're doing, and if you ever need anything from us or my network of people, please don't hesitate to reach out.

Del Bigtree: Absolutely. I'll just say everyone in Inconvenience study.com. The film's free. Watch it, share it with everyone, my, my phone is constantly blowing up. It's a great tool if you're on the fence or you're curious. I have so many texts coming in and people will say, I just watched your film. It was amazing.

And I handed it to my daughter-in-law that was like, about to vaccinate our grandkids, or I handed it to my father who's about to get another booster of COVID and he's really medical. And that movie just stopped them in their tracks. Mm-hmm. This movie, I think is, I think it's the most effective thing we've created yet.

Yeah, to really help you understand

Dr. Brandon Crawford: just what we're talking about. I agree. Totally agree. Everyone, you need to watch this documentary. You need to read this study. Yeah.

Del Bigtree: It's all on the website too, so you can just print it out. An inconvenient study. And by the way, we list now all of the attacks on the study, totally transparent.

And we have, we're rebutting, what we think are the, the, the points against that. But that's the scientific method. I'm glad people are attacking it. They should. Yes. Just like we should be allowed to attack every study out there. Or the lack of studies. Yes. I think that an inconvenience study has just jumpstarted the scientific method, which has been dead.

Yes. Certainly since before COVID, COVID killed it forever. But we're bringing it back. We've hit it with some, electric paddles and I think the conversation's really beginning an important one. Yes.

Dr. Brandon Crawford: Well, cheers to the revival. Thank you. Thank you so much. I have to be honest with you, this was one of my favorite interviews I've ever done.

Not just because of the information shared, but because this is the conversation that we should have been having for decades. If this conversation challenged what you thought you knew about vaccine safety, you're not alone. Dale mentioned that everywhere he screened Vaxxed, three quarters of every audience stood up when asked if they knew of a vaccine in your child.

The question isn't whether this is happening. The question is whether we're allowed to talk about it. Here's what I need you to do. First, go to www.andinconveniencestudy.com. The film is completely free. Watch it, share it. Download the study itself and read it for yourself. This is the information they do not want you to have, which is exactly why you need it.

Second, share this episode not because you agree with everything said. But because these questions deserve to be asked, tag someone who needs to hear this. Post it in your mom groups, send it to the friend who's about to vaccinate their newborn. This conversation saves lives, but only if people actually hear it.

Third, leave a comment. Tell us your story. Tell us what you are thinking. Tell us if we're all crazy or if this finally makes sense. The only way we break through the censorship is if real people with real experiences speak up. And if you're a healthcare provider listening to this, and you've seen what Dell and I have seen in our practices, the crying parents, the vaccine injured children, the patterns, no one wants to acknowledge, I'm asking you to find your courage.

Your patients need you to ask these questions to. Remember asking for evidence is not anti-science. It's the definition of science. I'm Dr. Brandon Crawford. Thanks for listening to the Longevity Formula.

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Your journey is unique and every step, every choice brings you closer to your ultimate vision of a healthier, happier life. For more insights, tips, and resources, visit drbrandoncrawford.com.